Fearless on my breath...

You might not, no, but you do have to admit that there are a lot of feminists, womynists, and feminazis (and yes, there are three very separate degrees of those words -- feminist being the most relaxed of the three) who truly would like nothing more than the emasculation of the male of the species.

Unless, of course, you were being serious.

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Ok, but if, as Pastor Giles points out, Feminists are really Lesbians, what does that make "Womynists" and "Feminazis"? Or was he using "Feminists" as a blanket term for all 3 groups thus we can infer that all fall under the blanket term "Lesbians"? I just want to make sure I've got all my facts straight, uh, so to speak ;)

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I didn't say I agreed with the man. He's obviously a right-wing extremist. He was using 'feminist' and 'lesbian' as the same thing, which, obviously, they aren't.

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I do find it endlessly amusing that he thinks they're interchangeable, though. I suspect "witches" goes on the list too, somewhere, maybe he just forgot it in this article :)

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No, he called them 'wizards', then changed his mind to 'witches' right after.

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You know between the feminist/lesbian confusion and the endless fascination that wingnuts seem to have in inter-species sex (http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2006_03_01_digbysblog_archive.html#114306613665392211), I just can't help finding them rather fascinating, if somewhat sad, little creatures.

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Um, why? I've been a feminist for over thirty years and I have never ONCE met a woman, straight or not, separatist or not, who seriously advocated castrating males. The only time I've seen that particular medical procedure called for was by conservative law 'n order types who wanted chronic rapists castrated.

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Are you male? If not, then you've probably had drastically different experiences than I have. I have been threatened by women who thought that most men should be castrated, just because they were born male.

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In the good cowboy's defense, many gals do go through a college feminism period where we get a bit...um, let us say enthusiastic. However, I think it's safe to say that 99.9% outgrow it by the time we graduate. Bearing that in mind I think we can agree that the percentage of feminists who passionately advocate the castration of all men is hovering somewhere just above zero, but not quite zero.
That said, Rush Limbaugh, Mr. Giles, and many others would like everyone to believe that it actually accounts for the other 99.9%, which I think tells us more about Mr. Limbaugh and Mr. Giles than we probably ever wanted to know...

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Oh yeah. We called them "hasbians" - political dykes in college, and five years later they were Republican, working on Wall Street, and about to marry an investment banker from Scarsdale.

Very, very sad.

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Female, straight, and was married for 18 years. And went to a women's college.

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The fact that most feminists wouldn't find "lesbian" to be an insulting epithet is just another example of the amazing amount of non-communication going on between these two camps. And why do these people always talk like a narrator from a 1950's instructional filmstrip?

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In this case I think it's 'cause Mr. Giles actually is from the 50's, or at least, would like to pretend he and his ilk belong to an age of strict morals and segregation...or something :)

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Who the HELL is this person? And does he live anywhere near me? Because if he does, it's time for the old New England custom called "tar and feathers" to be revived....

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I highly recommend checking out the archives here:

http://www.sadlyno.com/

and here:

http://blogs.salon.com/0002874/

Just do a search for Doug Giles or Townhall on either, and I suspect you'll discover more than you ever wanted to know about him. Also, I should point out that this is from his current magnum opus: "Raising Boys that Feminists Will Hate, Part 4."

Yes, you read that correctly, part four.

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Bah. I offered you the chance to destroy my masculine uniqueness and you said you were too busy dancing. Poser-lesbian!

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Fuck, does this mean I have to turn in my 10% discount card at OSH?

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I think my favorite part is how confused his argument is, in the end. If he insists on "men being men," should not women also be the submissive, dependent or manipulative creatures largely portrayed in the Bible? Yet he raises his girls to be strong, even manly: Our lives consist of large quantities of surfing in shark infested waters, biking in the backwoods, workouts on the beach, hunting in the sweltering swamps of the everglades for wild boar, fishing the brimming waters of South Florida and treks into the African bush. Does he really want his girls to be completely ruled by their husbands? Because that's certainly what the Bible recommends.

Not that I'd agree with the girly-girl/submissive definition/raising of girls, but this just feels like another classic case of hypocrisy--follow and spout the parts of the Bible you approve of, but ignore the rest.

The other best part is how incredibly redundant he is in all four parts of this ongoing saga; there's enough material there for maybe two (short!) articles, if he takes out all of the repetition. But I suppose he'd have fewer chances to shill his book, then.

And personally, my tendency to say "I hate men" (which is ridiculous when applied to my life in general, given how many male friends I deeply adore and care about; it's like saying "I hate people" when I'm in a foul mood, when I clearly need socialization to function properly) is solely based on the brutality and control displayed by many men concerning women. It's not that I want to emasculate men, it's that I don't want women to fear men, or have our rights or lives controlled by unjust rules (yes, I'm talking about South Dakota and abortion), and much of the "traditional" male upbringing devalues women.

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The other best part is how incredibly redundant he is in all four parts of this ongoing saga; there's enough material there for maybe two (short!) articles, if he takes out all of the repetition. But I suppose he'd have fewer chances to shill his book, then.

Ah, I think you've discovered the crux of Mr. Giles work, and perhaps of Townhall in general really.

And personally, my tendency to say "I hate men" (which is ridiculous when applied to my life in general, given how many male friends I deeply adore and care about; it's like saying "I hate people" when I'm in a foul mood, when I clearly need socialization to function properly) is solely based on the brutality and control displayed by many men concerning women.

It makes more sense to me to hate the stupidity of Mr. Giles and his ilk, "If men aren't manly it's because our culture is dominated by lesbians who hate manliness!" Because, as we know, lesbians are the real power brokers in this country, pulling the strings of government and laughing as the politicians dance, dance like puppets to their tune...

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It makes more sense to me to hate the stupidity of Mr. Giles and his ilk

Yeah, that's exactly it; the most "extreme" I get is to mutter under my breath, "I hate men," when reading about things like South Dakota, or catching part of some crime show on TV (there's a lot of assault on women). And I don't even mean it; I hate the actions and yes, mindsets, of men like Giles/Limbaugh/Napoli because of their own hatred and intolerance, and am well aware that it's not all men--especially not anyone I know! It's just far simpler (and somewhat cathartic) to not just say, "I hate assholes like that," or something. I dunno.

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Dude, where are these dominant lesbians hiding?

Personally, most feminists I know (myself included) don't give a rat's ass about men being as manly as they want, as long as that doesn't include taking away a woman's rights, such as rape or passing ridiculous abortion laws including banning abortions after "simple rape."

Go ahead men, go be manly in the woods! Go shoot each other in the face while hunting farm-raised quail! Or, you know, learn how to knit. Or put on a kilt and go to the local pub with me for a pint of ale. It really makes no difference to me. ;)

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Personally, most feminists I know (myself included) don't give a rat's ass about men being as manly as they want, as long as that doesn't include taking away a woman's rights, such as rape or passing ridiculous abortion laws including banning abortions after "simple rape."

Yes. Precisely, exactly, yes. I only "hate" in these regards, which (I certainly hope!) applies to only a small portion of the population (at least in the US).

It's like how often I say "I hate people" when annoyed by some asshole, or "I hate this place" while stuck in traffic (when I really quite love it here) or "I hate children," when it only applies to the kids throwing a fit in public and I quite adore any kids produced by friends. Meaning it's, well, more or less meaningless and a way to blow off steam when angry about something. And apart from opening doors for myself if I get there first or insisting to pay my own way on a date, that's about as radical as I get.

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I know this is a serious discussion and all, but... I just adore your icon.

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You would totally blow Mr. Giles' mind...or literally cause his head to explode, not sure which...

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His mind is all I would ever blow, yeah. ;)

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So I read the whole article (at least part 4, to which you have linked) when I got home. And what is so overwhelming is the hate that just rises up off the page like a stench.

Is it manly to hate? I believe that hate is just another term for fear, isn't it? This man seems very, very scared. He's in a proverbial corner, so he's throwing rocks. I really, actually, not shitting you, feel sorry for him. The world isn't turning out the way he thought it would or should and he's frightened like a little boy whose mommy went on vacation and never came back. I think Mr. Giles needs a hug. From Jesus.

I do find it amusing to note that this man who is trying to tell the world how to raise manly boys has... two teenaged daughters. Hmmm.

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...all bigotry, in whatever form, is born in a lack of confidence, nurtured by fear, and raised to a ripe health by the unwillingness to rationally consider the world around oneself.

Take the whole guy thing. The Western male social paradigm barely budged in the wake of the feminist movement - meaning that while feminism re-actualized what it meant to be a woman in the latter years of the millenium, the expectations for the American male stayed largely the same: man of the house, breadwinner, solid unemotional standup guy. And then, all of a sudden, there's a whole new set of social expectations out there, in which social roles are redefined and the old ways don't work anymore (this is really badly cribbed from Faludi, but I'm a lazy SOB so deal)...and instead of trying to figure out how to build a new concept of what it means to be a guy in the 21st century, people like this clown panic and try to turn back the clock, because an idealized version of how things were is simpler to cope with than how things really are now.

It's survival of the fittest, really. Those who can't adapt to the way things are now will not get to spread their seed, and will wind up dying in 4-wheel-drive-based accidents punctuated by shouts of "LOOKY HERE!" while the agile, mobile, versatile Man of the Future will ~~litter the Four Provinces with an army of love children~~ do all right for himself.

So to speak.

(by the way, if this guy's daughters are of legal age and hot, it would really amuse me to no end if you hooked up ;] )

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You know, the only thing I got after reading that is "OMG I AM SO VERY INSECURE!!!!one!!"

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I can't even read that it makes me so damn mad!! That's it!!! I'm off to tie young christian men up and make them listen to Indigo Girls at full volume all while making them watch bishounen anime! grr.

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