Fearless on my breath...

So, being a man, I may be missing this. Was having an alien culture where women are opressed and then having the good guys Enlighten them the insulting and misogynistic part? Or were there parts I should have pointed out to me?

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In my opinion (I can't speak for Ellie), it was the fact that they put Sam in a dress and suddenly all the guys on the team started to treat her differently and make inappropriate comments. And the fact that, as I recall, none of the guys had any problem with the way they were treating their women until Sam was kidnapped. But you've seen the episode much more recently than I have, and maybe my memory hasn't retained the plot as well as I would like.

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No, I could see that. Thank you!
Yeah, I'm interested in seeing if there's a consistency to their 'we will impress our moral standards upon other races at *this* point' actions, or if it just sort of happens at each episode's plot need.

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One of the things I've always kind of liked about SG is that they decided early on that ST's "Prime Directive" was just not a standard they were going to be able to hold themselves to. It was refreshingly honest of them, and some of my favorite moments tend to involve Daniel being torn between "We should do something" and "Well it's *their* culture and we should respect that".

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In my opinion (I can't speak for Ellie), it was the fact that they put Sam in a dress and suddenly all the guys on the team started to treat her differently and make inappropriate comments. And the fact that, as I recall, none of the guys had any problem with the way they were treating their women until Sam was kidnapped.

What she said too. The dress scene reminded me way too much of a lot of old films where the stodgy girl in glasses would take them off and let down her hair and suddenly all the guys would be like, "WOMAN!"

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It's not just old films. Modern teen films are full of 'nerdy hot chick who gets a complete make over by taking off her glasses'.

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You're right, and it should really stop, seriously, please make it stop.

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It's very frustrating, for someone who finds glasses really hot and lazy writing infuriating.

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It's very frustrating, for someone who finds glasses really hot and lazy writing infuriating.

A-fucking-men, my brother.

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And I don't really have a problem with *that*, per se. Lord knows I can find a woman more attractive just by the addition of glasses and a pony tail or, stop my heart, pig tails. What bugs me is that this somehow leads (especially in fiction) to treating said woman as if she is no longer the same person. As if, because the male in question suddenly finds her attractive he can no longer remember that she has any other qualities *beyond* her physical body.

Women, as a rule, don't do this. The Doctor puts on glasses and we all say "wow, he just got so much cuter," but we don't stop appreciating his wit and charm or his ability to save the day at the last nanosecond by some highly improbable means. :) You know, it's that whole "largest sexual organ" thing.

And, hmm, why do I have no Vala in pigtails icons?

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And, hmm, why do I have no Vala in pigtails icons?

That is an excellent question. I just wish more scifi took risks with the whole gender/sexuality thing rather than re-running the same tired cliches and pretending that everybody in space is straight. Fanfic does this exceptionally well, but the televised version not so much.

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Which leads right back to The Doctor, doesn't it? :)

Mmm. Vala. I think I may go hunting for new wallpaper when I get home.

Heh. I'm in quite a mood of late. Must be all that excellent porn someone keeps putting in my inbox....

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I think the parts we're referring to are the not letting women talk and then making them stay veiled and so on, not the eventual enlightening aspect. It's just a really tired cliche plot, drop the team on misogyny world and let the female member show everybody that a) she looks good in a dress and b) can kick any guy's ass. It's been done to death and I find that more annoying than the team regressing to cavemen...but that's probably me.

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Yeah, it was definitely a tired cliche.
But I also thought that the 'cavemen are violent and full of hate, cavewomen are agressive and full of lust' to be pretty sexist as well. As was the comment 'No, no, cavemen always have violent nonconsensual sex. That's just their way, don't interfere.' Especially the cavewoman in the pretty pink dress.

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Oh no doubt about it, it was dumb in pretty painful ways too and cliche and misogynistic. And I do also want to kick the writer who had Daniel say that stupid, stupid line (again, suffice to say that Daniel stops acting this way fairly soon and you'll like him much more as time goes on). And I'm not even going to get into the whole histamine explanation for the parasite because it makes my head hurt.

But I will say that I love Dr. Janet and any episode she gets to shine in will tend to make me happy. And there were Minoans! And giant bulls! And yes I am enough of an art history geek to get off on that. As I said, I'd want to be assigned to SG-20, the art historical team that gets to go back with their one wise-cracking military liaison and ask people like this, "So hey, what's up with the bulls?"

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Oh. My. God. I so want to write Mary Sue SG-20 fic for you right now just so I can use that line....

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Hell I'm tempted to write it. I did tell you I had an idea for a gay art historian character who worked as one of Daniel's underlings and occasionally got to go offworld right? This may be a story crying out to be told. Or maybe I'll just wait until Stargate Worlds comes out and create said character in the game. My team will go around attempting to figure out the true meaning behind the iconography of specific cultures throughout the cosmos and how it relates to our development on Earth.

And blowing shit up, of course.

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And by underling you mean sex slave, yes??? ;)

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