If memory serves me correctly...
Mar. 21st, 2003 08:40 amThis damn near broke me this morning:
The Iron Chef : Lembas Battle
And many thanks to
windrose for the Total Information Awareness project, a pair of those thongs are looking mighty good to me right now *G* Remember, be a good American, Big Brother is watching you!
Bad news from my sisters, their flight got delayed so they won't be getting in until after 8 pm tonight. Plans may have to be shuffled a bit regarding dinner, so if you were planning to go to Garden Fresh this evening I'm going to try to get in touch with you this afternoon to discuss options. *sigh* Airlines.
Also, this is the last day I will be posting or checking emails until next Wednesday. If you need to get in touch with me, either email today or call me, ok?
I've spent the last couple of evenings at home watching coverage of Operation Iraqi Freedom and wondering what the hell has happened to the once fine art of journalism. Swear to god, at least a half an hour was spent showing a pixelated, blurry image of troops zooming over the desert with nothing but sand and sky in sight. Nothing. Nada. Zip. The journalist (and I use the term loosely) responsible for this riveting coverage actually got excited when they spotted some goat herders amidst the big, blank, stretch of nothing. Wee! Goats, wow, thanks CNN!
So basically right now we've got our choice of network or cable coverage from reporters "embedded" in different military units and carefully watched over by the Pentagon. Does this make me at all comfortable with taking for granted that what we're hearing from said reporters is going to be at all unbiased, hard hitting, honest journalism? Uh, no.
In an effort to balance this coverage out, I've been listening to KPFA radio which swings about as far Left as humanly possible. I figure between the two sources and what I can dig up on the internet I might just have a shot at figuring out for myself what the hell is going on in the world these days.
I continue to be strongly impressed by Senator Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.), whose speech, Today, I Weep for My Country..., really resonated.
Instead of reasoning with those with whom we disagree, we demand obedience or threaten recrimination. Instead of isolating Saddam Hussein, we seem to have isolated ourselves. We proclaim a new doctrine of preemption which is understood by few and feared by many. We say that the United States has the right to turn its firepower on any corner of the globe which might be suspect in the war on terrorism. We assert that right without the sanction of any international body. As a result, the world has become a much more dangerous place.
We flaunt our superpower status with arrogance. We treat UN Security Council members like ingrates who offend our princely dignity by lifting their heads from the carpet. Valuable alliances are split.
"...we demand obedience or threaten recrimination..." Not just abroad, mind you, but with our own citizens as well. Either you're for us or against us. I admit it's a pretty simple, black and white concept, easily grasped by the masses and perpetuated. I'd also say it's pretty simplistic, turning discourse and disagreement into dangerous and subversive actions.
But we Americans are a contentious lot, we like to disagree, we like to argue, we like to take a stand on issues. We're not always the best informed people in the world, but we are curious and opinionated, and we'll ask questions...or at least we'll let our favorite journalists do that for us.
I think many of us want to know what's going on, and more importantly, have a say in the direction our country's policies take. That's not always feasible, of course, but we are a Democracy and there are means of expressing our support or discontent, for getting our voices heard.
Dissent, however, is becoming a kind of scary thing right now. If you support the war, you probably haven't noticed it...or perhaps you feel the opposition should be silent. But to disagree strongly with our government just now is becoming an increasingly risky proposition, whether you're a public representative or a private citizen.
On the other hand, not speaking up carries even higher, if more insidious dangers.
Ultimately I guess it becomes a question of "how much are your values worth to you"? What precisely are you willing to risk to voice your beliefs? And what will be the lasting damage to your conscience if you don't?
Now if only a few more members of the Democratic party would ask themselves these questions...

The Iron Chef : Lembas Battle
And many thanks to
Bad news from my sisters, their flight got delayed so they won't be getting in until after 8 pm tonight. Plans may have to be shuffled a bit regarding dinner, so if you were planning to go to Garden Fresh this evening I'm going to try to get in touch with you this afternoon to discuss options. *sigh* Airlines.
Also, this is the last day I will be posting or checking emails until next Wednesday. If you need to get in touch with me, either email today or call me, ok?
I've spent the last couple of evenings at home watching coverage of Operation Iraqi Freedom and wondering what the hell has happened to the once fine art of journalism. Swear to god, at least a half an hour was spent showing a pixelated, blurry image of troops zooming over the desert with nothing but sand and sky in sight. Nothing. Nada. Zip. The journalist (and I use the term loosely) responsible for this riveting coverage actually got excited when they spotted some goat herders amidst the big, blank, stretch of nothing. Wee! Goats, wow, thanks CNN!
So basically right now we've got our choice of network or cable coverage from reporters "embedded" in different military units and carefully watched over by the Pentagon. Does this make me at all comfortable with taking for granted that what we're hearing from said reporters is going to be at all unbiased, hard hitting, honest journalism? Uh, no.
In an effort to balance this coverage out, I've been listening to KPFA radio which swings about as far Left as humanly possible. I figure between the two sources and what I can dig up on the internet I might just have a shot at figuring out for myself what the hell is going on in the world these days.
I continue to be strongly impressed by Senator Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.), whose speech, Today, I Weep for My Country..., really resonated.
Instead of reasoning with those with whom we disagree, we demand obedience or threaten recrimination. Instead of isolating Saddam Hussein, we seem to have isolated ourselves. We proclaim a new doctrine of preemption which is understood by few and feared by many. We say that the United States has the right to turn its firepower on any corner of the globe which might be suspect in the war on terrorism. We assert that right without the sanction of any international body. As a result, the world has become a much more dangerous place.
We flaunt our superpower status with arrogance. We treat UN Security Council members like ingrates who offend our princely dignity by lifting their heads from the carpet. Valuable alliances are split.
"...we demand obedience or threaten recrimination..." Not just abroad, mind you, but with our own citizens as well. Either you're for us or against us. I admit it's a pretty simple, black and white concept, easily grasped by the masses and perpetuated. I'd also say it's pretty simplistic, turning discourse and disagreement into dangerous and subversive actions.
But we Americans are a contentious lot, we like to disagree, we like to argue, we like to take a stand on issues. We're not always the best informed people in the world, but we are curious and opinionated, and we'll ask questions...or at least we'll let our favorite journalists do that for us.
I think many of us want to know what's going on, and more importantly, have a say in the direction our country's policies take. That's not always feasible, of course, but we are a Democracy and there are means of expressing our support or discontent, for getting our voices heard.
Dissent, however, is becoming a kind of scary thing right now. If you support the war, you probably haven't noticed it...or perhaps you feel the opposition should be silent. But to disagree strongly with our government just now is becoming an increasingly risky proposition, whether you're a public representative or a private citizen.
On the other hand, not speaking up carries even higher, if more insidious dangers.
Ultimately I guess it becomes a question of "how much are your values worth to you"? What precisely are you willing to risk to voice your beliefs? And what will be the lasting damage to your conscience if you don't?
Now if only a few more members of the Democratic party would ask themselves these questions...

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Date: 2003-03-21 12:29 pm (UTC)Okay. In spite of the fact that this is the best tautological argument I think I've ever seen, I'll bite.
We should subordinate our own national interests to the interests of the so-called "international community" as expressed through the U.N. ... why, exactly? What's in it for us?
Why is it to our advantage, either principally or pragmatically, to give an extra-governmental authority, unaccountable to American citizens and composed primarily of representatives of nations which do not share Western democratic values, supremacy over United States foreign policy?
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Date: 2003-03-21 12:48 pm (UTC)We should subordinate our own national interests to the interests of the so-called "international community" as expressed through the U.N. ... why, exactly? What's in it for us?
Why is it to our advantage, either principally or pragmatically, to give an extra-governmental authority, unaccountable to American citizens and composed primarily of representatives of nations which do not share Western democratic values, supremacy over United States foreign policy?
I hate to answer a question with a question, but here goes. Why should a country like Iraq be subject to the will of an organization like the UN? Why should it feel compelled to bow down to its resolutions? Is it in Iraq's best interests to follow the edicts of the UN? Hell no. Still we expect them to, why? Because there are certain rules that the vast majority of countries in this world are willing to play by, and overall they're pretty good rules.
One of our basic reasons for this attack is that Iraq has been stalling, misleading, and otherwise thumbing his nose at resolutions agreed upon by the international community as a whole, via the UN. I mean unless I'm totally misunderstanding here, this is one of our big contentions, yes?
So we're at once saying, "Yes, the UN has resolutions and they're good and we support them." and "The UN isn't willing to give us the thumb's up so we're going to go ahead anyway, without their support." As I see it we're trying to have it both ways. It's like saying, "They should play by the rules, but we don't have to."
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Date: 2003-03-21 12:58 pm (UTC)We expect them to follow UNSC resolutions because they agreed to do so as a condition of the 1991 ceasefire agreement that ended the first Gulf War.
If the circumstances had been otherwise, the UNSC would have been pissing into the wind, as it frequently does with Israel.
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Date: 2003-03-21 06:52 pm (UTC)And while I am a citizen of this country first, that does not make me any less a citizen of this world. There's certainly a difference between giving an external body authority over our foreign policy and choosing of our own accord to consider the opinion of that external body. I'm an adult; my mom no longer has any say in what I do. I still ask her opinion about a lot of things, and I generally have to have a damn good reason to disregard her advice because she's right so damn often.
Also, if we're so hell-bent on bringing democracy to the world, shouldn't that start with listening to what the rest of the world is saying?
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Date: 2003-03-22 11:06 am (UTC)In what way is it morally correct for us to give an extra-governmental agency, unaccountable to American citizens and dominated by member-states which do not share Western democratic values, supremacy over United States foreign policy?
To put it another way, do you honestly believe that suborning United States foreign policy to an international parliament dominated by third-world thugocracies and kleptocracies would result in a more moral geopolitical order?
These are the questions that U.N. voluptuaries never seem to satisfactorily answer. Foreign policy disagreements between nations never have, aren't now, and never will be good-faith differences of opinion; they were, are, and will always be motivated by the national self-interest of the interlocutors. Heeding the will of the "international community" means bending knee to the national self-interest of other nations, possibly against principle and the interests of our own citizens.
The current situation is instructive: more nations want us to leave Saddam Hussein alone, and support an ineffectual inspections regime, than topple him. Why? Well, the Russians have lucrative oil contracts that they're afraid they might lose. The German government is pandering to its anti-American left in order to stay in power. The French have the same motivations as the Russians, plus they're playing petty power games to both increase their influence within the EU and try to check the influence of the United States. The Saudis aren't on board because they've got plenty of skeletons in their closet, and they're afraid a democratic Iraq will diminish their own clout in the region. The Turks we had to bribe to get on board; they were opposed because a liberated Iraq potentially means an independent Kurdistan, which the Turks are deathly afraid of. The Chinese share the French motivation: opposing America to diminish American influence while increasing its own. And various other Muslim states oppose the war because Saddam is a Muslim, the fact that he's widely viewed, even in the Muslim world, as a murderous tyrant notwithstanding.
So kowtowing to the UN means: letting the Russians and the French traffic in oil at the expense of Iraqi lives; pandering to anti-American Germans and racist Turks; permitting the French and the Chinese to increase their geopolitical influence at the expense of our own; and permitting the Saudis to continue to hide their own barbarism. And, oh, by the way, letting a murderous tyrant with prohibited weapons continue to stay in power.
This would be the democratic result. Nobody should confuse it with a moral result. This is an example why the United States is not a pure democracy, because there are some far more important hills (i.e. free speech, gun rights, the rights of criminal defendants, federalism, property rights, et cetera) to die on.