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ebonlockvia Steve Gilliard:
NBC's Fineman: White House in civil war over Karl Rove
10/11/2005 07:04:00 PM
HOWARD FINEMAN, NBC CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: That‘s the point of the lance of this whole thing.
Right now, my sense, in reporting this, Chris, is that the Bush family, political family, is at war with itself inside the White House. My sense is, it‘s Andy Card, the chief of staff, and his people against Karl Rove, the brain.
MATTHEWS: Right.
FINEMAN: And that runs through a whole lot of things, whether it‘s Harriet Miers or Katrina. But it all starts with Iraq.
And some submerged, but now emerging divisions within the administration over why we went into that war, how we went into that war and what was done to sell it. There are people are out for Karl Rove inside that White House, which makes his situation even more perilous.
My understanding, from talking to somebody quite close to this investigation, is that they think there are going to be indictments and possibly Karl Rove could be among them, if not for the act of the leaking information about Valerie Plame, then perhaps for perjury, because he‘s now testified four times.
And there are conflicts between what Matt Cooper told the grand jury and what Rove evidently told the jury himself. And Patrick Fitzgerald, the prosecutor, is an absolute stickler for detail who has no political axe to grind here, other than keeping his own credibility. Having put Judy Miller in jail, having gone to the lengths he had, my understand is, he has got some people here, not only Rove, but perhaps Scooter Libby, the vice president‘s chief of staff.
MATTHEWS: I also get the sense he reads the law book. He doesn‘t care about the politics.
(CROSSTALK)
FINEMAN: That‘s what I meant. That‘s what I meant. He doesn‘t care about the politics.
(CROSSTALK)
MATTHEWS: Let me ask you, you just raised a curtain-raiser for me. I didn‘t even know this.
You believe that the fight between those who may be headed toward indictment, the vice president‘s chief of staff, Karl Rove, there is a war between them and the people who are going to survive them, Andy Card, etcetera.
FINEMAN: Yes.
This is the Bush family in action. They want to save George one more time and if Karl goes overboard, well, it's a long fall to the water. No life vest will follow.
Bush is a mean bastard and he resents Rove. And then of course, he'll have mommy whispering about legacy. People forget that to the Bush family, Rove is a useful servant, but still a servant. To pardon Rove would ruin his historical reputation. Besides, Bush sees loyalty as a one way street, running uphill.
A pardon is possible, but remember Rove is not a social peer of Bush. He's a lesser being. If Bush could be hurt by a pardon, Rove won't even get a call to ask him.
NBC's Fineman: White House in civil war over Karl Rove
10/11/2005 07:04:00 PM
HOWARD FINEMAN, NBC CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: That‘s the point of the lance of this whole thing.
Right now, my sense, in reporting this, Chris, is that the Bush family, political family, is at war with itself inside the White House. My sense is, it‘s Andy Card, the chief of staff, and his people against Karl Rove, the brain.
MATTHEWS: Right.
FINEMAN: And that runs through a whole lot of things, whether it‘s Harriet Miers or Katrina. But it all starts with Iraq.
And some submerged, but now emerging divisions within the administration over why we went into that war, how we went into that war and what was done to sell it. There are people are out for Karl Rove inside that White House, which makes his situation even more perilous.
My understanding, from talking to somebody quite close to this investigation, is that they think there are going to be indictments and possibly Karl Rove could be among them, if not for the act of the leaking information about Valerie Plame, then perhaps for perjury, because he‘s now testified four times.
And there are conflicts between what Matt Cooper told the grand jury and what Rove evidently told the jury himself. And Patrick Fitzgerald, the prosecutor, is an absolute stickler for detail who has no political axe to grind here, other than keeping his own credibility. Having put Judy Miller in jail, having gone to the lengths he had, my understand is, he has got some people here, not only Rove, but perhaps Scooter Libby, the vice president‘s chief of staff.
MATTHEWS: I also get the sense he reads the law book. He doesn‘t care about the politics.
(CROSSTALK)
FINEMAN: That‘s what I meant. That‘s what I meant. He doesn‘t care about the politics.
(CROSSTALK)
MATTHEWS: Let me ask you, you just raised a curtain-raiser for me. I didn‘t even know this.
You believe that the fight between those who may be headed toward indictment, the vice president‘s chief of staff, Karl Rove, there is a war between them and the people who are going to survive them, Andy Card, etcetera.
FINEMAN: Yes.
This is the Bush family in action. They want to save George one more time and if Karl goes overboard, well, it's a long fall to the water. No life vest will follow.
Bush is a mean bastard and he resents Rove. And then of course, he'll have mommy whispering about legacy. People forget that to the Bush family, Rove is a useful servant, but still a servant. To pardon Rove would ruin his historical reputation. Besides, Bush sees loyalty as a one way street, running uphill.
A pardon is possible, but remember Rove is not a social peer of Bush. He's a lesser being. If Bush could be hurt by a pardon, Rove won't even get a call to ask him.
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Date: 2005-10-12 09:16 pm (UTC)Yeah, I know I'm missing the point, I'm just questioning my own reluctance to use my nickname at work. :)
Burn, baby, burn. Karma's gonna get 'em all.
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Date: 2005-10-12 10:13 pm (UTC)One can only hope...
... and that the legal system has some role to play in karma's blowback.
Two quick comments
Date: 2005-10-13 05:06 am (UTC)Also, watch the PBS documentary "Israel's Next War?" to hear what the world's leaders say Bush told them re: Israel/Palestine. The fact that "God talks to Bush" is no secret, but the extent is breathtaking...
Re: Two quick comments
Date: 2005-10-13 04:18 pm (UTC)I just watched one I think was called "A Difficult Peace" which went into everything that was going on behind the scenes from 2002-2003 with Israel and Palestine. The interviews with Powell were really quite interesting and the Israeli official interviewed on that one also claimed that Bush gave them all the speech about how God told him to do this and that. I just sat there with my jaw hanging open.
Oh and if you're still up for Jamba, I doubt I'll be even slightly contagious by Saturday :)
Re: Two quick comments
Date: 2005-10-14 02:00 am (UTC)Let me know when works best for you (preferably after noon). If you aren't feeling up to Jamba, that's okay. I can also deliver, too.
Re: Two quick comments
Date: 2005-10-14 04:55 pm (UTC)How does six-ish sound? Do you have a preference on location?
Re: Two quick comments
Date: 2005-10-14 10:01 pm (UTC)No preferred location. Anywhere that doesn't screw up their Jamba works for me. Isn't there one on Homestead that's close to you (if you haven't moved)?
Re: Two quick comments
Date: 2005-10-14 10:09 pm (UTC)Re: Two quick comments
Date: 2005-10-14 10:13 pm (UTC)It's been a long time since I've trolled MV. See you there.
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Date: 2005-10-13 08:59 pm (UTC)I don't know what this alleged "war" between Card and Rove is all about but there's no mention of it on any of the right wing death beast blogs I regularly read. (which, granted, I take with a large grain of salt too.)
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Date: 2005-10-14 02:54 am (UTC)Did you see this?
http://thinkprogress.org/2005/10/13/behind-the-scenes-photo-op/