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Jun. 10th, 2005 04:52 pm
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via Driftglass:

It’s not true that the Conservatives I know don’t give a damn so much as they are terrified that they were wrong... Deeply, primally terrified.

[S]ince they will happily burn the world to the ground before they admit they might actually have been wrong about Bush, it falls to us to keep them backed into a corner as best we can, because once events out here in Realityland begin to pound through the perimeter denial defenses, what comes after ain’t gonna be pretty.

Not to scream blindly into the void for the impossible... but to keep patiently repeating: “Here’s what you said, and here’s what you did. You were wrong. Apologize,” in every venue available.

The bad news is, until they wake the fuck up, these people are slaves, and there is no one so ferocious as a brainwashed thrall defending his owner...

The good news is... the sheer weight of simple things like time and gravity and causality itself are our natural and incorruptable allies. They are merciless, and recognize no Geneva Convention niceties when meting out justice to arrant fools who try to fuck with them.

This response from A Tiny Revolution also seems apt:

And here's the most interesting part: even after seeing his daughter arrested, Pechuro's father didn't seem to question the Soviet leadership—even within his own heart. It was only after the collapse of the Soviet Union, at the end of his life, that he began to do so. And the fear her father told her about as he was dying seems exactly like the fear of America's true believers:

"It's frightening for me to die cheated. To think that I've spent my life being cheated. That I still believed—at a time when YOU understood everything. And I, a grownup, believed. My life has been spent in lies."


I suppose when you look at it that way the near absurd levels of self delusion from the True Believers on the Right does make a great deal of sense. It also makes me feel a bit sorry for them, oddly enough.

Date: 2005-06-11 04:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cyranocyrano.livejournal.com
It makes me sorry for me. Because I'm going to be the one who takes it up the ass when their precious reality caves in, and I'm the one who's going to be stuck cleaning up after the amazing mess they're making, and I'm the one who in the meantime is not fabulously wealthy and living off the sweat of the proles.

Date: 2005-06-13 10:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mallen.livejournal.com
I'm really not primally scared that I'm wrong. (Aside: wrong about what? Iraq? Supporting Bolton as UN Ambassador?)

The Bush administration has made many mistakes in Iraq and elsewhere, but in my opinion, they're better than the alternative.

I guess if that makes me a SLAVE TO THE MACHINE, then so be it.

When the Revolution comes, fortunately for me, I suppose, the right wing thralls also tend to be the ones with Lifetime NRA memberships.

Date: 2005-06-13 10:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ebonlock.livejournal.com
So, just to be clear, your argument here is "The ends justify the means", yes?

Date: 2005-06-13 11:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mallen.livejournal.com
Not sure what you mean by that.

In an imperfect world, with imperfect people who occassionally make bad decisions, even to brown people with oil, I generally support the policies of President Bush compared with the policies advocated by people in the orbit of MoveOn and other such progressive groups.

If that makes me a thrall to the machine, then I guess I'm in thrall! Woo. (I've always wanted to be a thrall.)

Date: 2005-06-13 11:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ebonlock.livejournal.com
I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree here, as thralls to our respective ideologies :)

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